Songwriting essentials: Sloan Wainwright chats about co-writing


I’ll confess: I’ve never co-written a song with anyone. Not another songwriter, not another human being, not even one of my two cats. To me, songwriting has always been a solitary activity — I have a hard time writing songs even in the same room as someone else!

But many of my favorite songwriters swear by the power of co-writing. Putting your talents together — whether one person writes the song, the other the lyrics, or some mash-up of the two — can turn out to be more than the sum of its parts.

I e-mailed one friend and teacher to chat a bit about the world of co-writing — the wonderful writer and performer Sloan Wainwright (yes, of the well-known Wainwright clan, including Rufus Wainwright, Loudon Wainwright III and Martha Wainwright). I know Sloan through the fabulous songwriting camp/retreat I’ve attended many, many times, called Summersongs. Sloan often teaches a co-writing class there, where she pairs up participants who then go off and write songs together. Shamefully, I have never taken the class — seriously, I’ve just been too nervous to contemplate a co-write! But I have determined the next time I go and it’s offered…I’m there!!

E-mailing me from her Italy vacation (taken after a trip to London to see nephew Rufus’s new opera, Prima Donna), Sloan says co-writing is an “exciting and expansive process,” something to be encouraged. “It may not be every songwriter’s “cup of tea, but I would say…try it,” she says.

Some of her other comments…

The biggest challenges about co-writing: “Finding the right writing partner. To speak up honestly in a creative process. To listen. To support the song. To have fun…songs are fun…right?”

The biggest pitfall songwriters tend to fall into when trying to co-write: “Needing to be in control.”

The best way to get started in co-writing: “Invite a songwriting friend that you know and admire to write a song with you.”

Co-writing, Sloan concludes, is about “sharing in the process — making something with someone else or many someones.” One of her favorite co-writing memories is a “5-way co-write written at a writing weekend in Virginia — songwriting by committee, with much laughing, eating and drinking involved.”

Hmm…that does sound fun, I must admit. I hadn’t considered the laughing, eating and drinking that could be involved. Sounds like co-writing is something I should try!

How about you…have you ever co-written a song with another songwriter?

  • Markus Rill

    Hey Sharon,
    I recently participated in a wonderful songwriters retreat in Gotland/Sweden. There were 20 of us, the atmosphere was very friendly. We were paired in twos every day to write a song. Any awkwardness was overcome because we always had an assignment to get us started. It was an all-around great experience where I made new friends and came up with some wonderful songs.
    Recommended!
    Markus
    PS: I blogged about the retreat at myspace.com/markusrill

  • meg

    With one exception, my experience with co-writing has been a positive one. What I love is that the end result is usually a song that neither writer would have written on their own. I have also found that it helps me in my own "solo" writing because I learn how someone else approaches a song. One person I wrote with really needed to write the bass line first–that was a huge jump for me, and ultimately lead to a phase where I was really paying attention to bass lines and how they could move a melody and lyric forward in my solo writing.

    The one piece of advice I would give, is make sure that who gets the "credit" is established and revisited while writing. It can save a lot of resentment in the end.

    But mostly it has always just been really fun…

  • Lauren

    I have never co-written – but would love too! Like you, Sharon, songwriting is a solitary activity (I even make my cats leave the room.) In general, my brain just seems to function better when there's no one else around – in any capacity, not just music. However, I would like to take that leap and try co-writing – because I think it's a really important step to developing songwriting skills (and the results are often awesome!) Sharon – I think we should co-write sometime(since Sloan's advice is work with a friend you admire – I would love to work with you!)

    And kudos for another great article – so nice to hear Sloan's inspiring words!

  • Sharon Goldman

    Thanks so much for your comments! Wow, a Swedish-based songwriters retreat…now there's something I could get into, Markus. And a formal assignment seems like it could be a good ice-breaker. Meg, you're one of the most prolific co-writers I know, very inspiring!! And Lauren, yes, I think we're going to have to get going on a song together…we must take the leap!

  • Thomas Boyd

    My song "Company" is a kind of co-write. Originally a power ballad by Belle Schneiderman, it came to me in a song swap / writing class led by my longtime pal Janie Barnett. Trade songs, she urged us, and do something different. I chopped away at the lyrics, countrified it, and
    turned it into the version on my CD. With Belle's OK and suggestions, of course. A lovely process because she's a lovely person. I've started down the co-write road with Teri, Tom Ryan, Ina May Wool, et al, but have not produced anything yet. My appetite is whetted thanks to your Q and Sloanie's post and other folks' experiences and ideas. Thanks!

  • penny nichols

    I was part of that 5 way co-write weekend with Sloanie and Mae Robertson, Craig Carothers and Terry Allard. A great memorable time was had by all and a great song, Meet the Sun Halfway, was written. Remember that you don't have to be "together" to co-write. In LA, we mostly sent each other fragments of songs on cassette and then worked on the frags independently, only getting together occasionally to hammer out the details. Another important point: all co-writes are equally split among the writers. ie.. if there are 2 writers; 50/50 if there are 3 writers 33/33/33%. Don't fall into the trap of trying to figure out who wrote the most important part. Your song and your friendship will not survive the experience.
    love, Pen